Some Admins too quick with banhammer, Faster than sanic Options

[SlickStitch]

I was banned the other day for team killing just miliseconds before the game ended. Now a kick to say don't teamkill before the game has ended would be a great way to deal with the situation. I get along with many admins and they all know i'm no trouble. But some admins seem to take their duties as an admin as serious as racist cops do with their trigger happy attitude. I am sorry for teamkilling a second early. Though what real difference does killing a second after really do. I hope maybe after seeing all these ban appeals on here that you will maybe start using the kick command more often than the ban command. Also, Billy-Jojo-Baba is a traitor to me. He has disowned me after being banned and I would like to please him again. Help me to please him. Admins should have to say if it was them that banned so we can see who is complained about the most on ban appeals.

[Scaramouche the ...]

Mmm, my memory is quite bad, but didn't I banned you long ago for the same reason?

[SlickStitch]

Mmm, my memory is quite bad, but didn't I banned you long ago for the same reason?

You have never banned me. I have been banned only once before and that was for being in the enemy spawn. Which since the rule has changed to: you can be in the enemy spawn as long as you can be reached.

[The Malefic Trou...]

Are you seriously complaining about this? You team killed before a round ended and you dare go compare us to racist cops, now what the fuck, honestly. Do we have to write these things down for people like you? What next? As a regular you should have well known it was against the rules so stop for the love of God blaming admins doing their job and admit you made a mistake.

This appeal is so pretentious it hurts my eyes. There are two simple rules on the server, I'd spent two years before being recruited playing on the server and it's such a great mystery to me why following TWO simple main rules is such a hard task for some of you.

You're to blame, and once again, fuck off with comparing us to racist people. How hard is it to follow the rules.

[SlickStitch]

Are you seriously complaining about this? You team killed before a round ended and you dare go compare us to racist cops, now what the fuck, honestly. Do we have to write these things down for people like you? What next? As a regular you should have well known it was against the rules so stop for the love of God blaming admins doing their job and admit you made a mistake.

This appeal is so pretentious it hurts my eyes. There are two simple rules on the server, I'd spent two years before being recruited playing on the server and it's such a great mystery to me why following TWO simple main rules is such a hard task for some of you.

You're to blame, and once again, fuck off with comparing us to racist people. How hard is it to follow the rules.

The comment is tongue in cheek. As in I don't genuinely believe that. I just find it funny that teamkilling 2 seconds before the game has ended to be bannable offence. I mean what is 2 seconds afterwards? I know I shouldn't have tked but the guy I was messing about with didn't mind much and neither did I and it was basically over. I won't tk again till the game is over. It was a one off anyways :s

[AsDeR]

You show no regret at all. It would be a permanent ban from me.

[rotor]

I saw the screen of the person you attacked and it was more like 10 seconds and the other person reported u before timer ended. "this person just starts attacking me'
I was already in the middle of banning when the bell went and game ended, but confirmed anyway because sometimes the game doesn't end and it's disruptive.

was temp ban anyway

[MonkeyFiend]

So you intentionally team killed before the end of a game. You broke the rules and got a temp ban.

Intentional TKing is forbidden and we try to enforce this as strictly as possible. It's easiest to make it a simple no tolerance rule.
Often happens when one person starts TKing before the end of a round, other join in and it just become a clusterfuck. A few charming individuals will take this into the next round.
Then the usual playground accusations begin of who started it first etc.,
Additionally anyone unlucky enough to join around that time will just think the SM server is just another server that allows that sort of thing in general.

The server logs all IPs (as well as steam guids), this also goes for admin using kick/ban powers. It's a bit faffy but from my perspective I can find out who made a ban at a given time and we can often discuss such things in the members area.
Many admins do post who made the ban in the ban message, more for convenience when a ban appeal comes up. It's not however mandatory: all ban appeals should be done through the site for various reasons - it provides an audit/history, it allows oversight of otherclan members (so that we know one member isn't just ban happy) and finally the process wastes some time (the SM guys are here to play games too, each occasion they have to kick or ban they often have to take time out of their own games to do so)

We've seen it a few times where direct contact from the ban recipient usually ends in just insult slinging.

Regarding who is complained about most - it may just be the case that an admin that tends to be on without other admins earlier in the morning e.g. Xacobo might end up making more bans, certainly during that time of the day. Doesn't mean the bans are unjust.

If anyone thinks a ban was unjust the process is they can appeal it here in steps. Firstly with a vote on the ban from the whole clan, I can also look into bans more closely and finally an independent 3rd party.
Typically though, bans are 99% justified. As has happened on a couple of occasions admins that have made spurious bans or broken our rules are usually removed from the clan and banned from the servers. This in itself is pretty easy to police; general guests on the server are typically quite keen to screenshot/record an admin breaking the rules Happily it occurs infrequently.

So back to the point, you made a one-off TK? We do tend to find people that TK it's not generally a one off. Tip of the iceberg: for every 1 occasion of TKing an admin sees there's another 8 that they don't (and that's from taking a random 7pm match recording and playing it back through the SDK to see what the actual visibility rate is )

You broke the rules, you got a temp ban. I'd agree if the ban was permanent it'd be harsh. In your situation a kick or a temp ban is appropriate and in line with the rules. It is however, at the admins discretion.

Kicking is useful for one off behaviour problems. The other issue is regulars on the server - simply put if a level 5 joins the server and TKs it's a bit more forgivable. At the end of the day if someone breaks the rules we should take action, I'm generally not a fan of favouritism for regulars, quite the opposite: For a rank 50+ who, thanks to hundreds of hours logged on the server, must know the rules and has chosen to ignore them.


If it were me I probably also temp ban (not from the type or amount of the TKing, but because it was obviously intentional).
This topic as an appeal though, I'd not lift the ban early and given the content and lack of any contrition, I'd probably increase the ban by a f ew days to allow some time to consider the rules and why they're there.

However the ban was not made by me and a quick look, it looks like the ban has already expired, so this is probably a moot topic.

[AsDeR]

Wasted words. Permaban speaks louder.

[Angry Jesus]

What if I like my KDA ratio, and you do this? I'd rather get Tked in a LMB team-fight than like this

[SlickStitch]

Okay I see your points about it carrying on to the next game and newcomers being put off by this. If I knew it was a temp ban is probably lay off on the extreme end of the jokes. I know I shouldn't have done it, and usually I don't. I have often kicked people for tking in spawn or blatantly trolling. Infact i think i actually did it on the recent LTD that say with a Richard guy. So yeah I know my comment seems to be ungenuine and filled with no regret but I do understand, after how you put it, that it was a shit move on my part.

Also just a quick point towards Angry Jesus. You have tked me numerous times for using the follow me command. You never wondered about my K/D then. Not just on SM but on other servers months ago. Persus does the same. So I will be ignoring your opinion in this matter mainly for the hypocrisy.

I won't do this crap again. All my tks will be accidental, although that's quite rare too. Thanks for explaining it to me in further detail and taking the time to. I think maybe in the ban/kick message put if it is perma or how long it's for? That could save you having to reply to many appeals if they know it's not perma? Just an idea, I like the SM server and I am quite friendly with a lot of the regulars and some admins.

[Bucket]

You came here trying to be funny but what ended being funnier is that your temp ban turned in a permanent ban by calling us racist trigger happy cops/admins. ayy fucking lmao.

[SlickStitch]

You came here trying to be funny but what ended being funnier is that your temp ban turned in a permanent ban by calling us racist trigger happy cops/admins. ayy fucking lmao.

You clearly didn't understand the joke. The joke wasn't calling you racists. The joke was calling you triggerhappy with bans. That was the reference. Have a re-read you may laugh this time Again to reiterate. I like most of the admins so I am not insulting 1 or any of them. It was a reference to how many ban appeals I see on here. Twas but a mere jest good sir. Not hating on anyone here. Well except racist police force.

[Bucket]

You clearly didn't understand the joke. The joke wasn't calling you racists. The joke was calling you triggerhappy with bans. That was the reference.

I didn't see how that was beneficial to your appeal hence why I took it as an insult towards the admin(s) who issued the ban.

[SlickStitch]

I didn't see how that was beneficial to your appeal hence why I took it as an insult towards the admin(s) who issued the ban.

Jokes break the ice

[The Malefic Trou...]

Boo hoo hoo, sure. To me you're just trying to turn this whole thing around now.

[Bucket]

Boo hoo hoo, sure. To me you're just trying to turn this whole thing around now.

Exactly my thoughts, reminds me of this http://i.imgur.com/n8umjWj.png

[SlickStitch]

Boo hoo hoo, sure. To me you're just trying to turn this whole thing around now.

Erm well if you read the joke you would know it wasn't to do with anyone being racist but how they ban as quick as racist cops shoot. That was the joke and I am here explaining it to you because you failed to understand it. I'm not changing my tune except when I changed my mind on how too look on the situation thanks to MonkeyFiend's explanation. Which you know changing your mind and being open to other views is usually a good thing.

[Bucket]

Still, I see no remorse from you only trying to twist your words around to avoid getting a permanent ban. Your ''joke'' wasn't even remotely funny nor did it help the situation. If you just accepted the fact that you were in the wrong and apologised for your behaviour you would be on the server playing right now. But by all means keep pretending that it was a joke to break the ice or however you wish to sugarcoat it

[SlickStitch]

Still, I see no remorse from you only trying to twist your words around to avoid getting a permanent ban. Your ''joke'' wasn't even remotely funny nor did it help the situation. If you just accepted the fact that you were in the wrong and apologised for your behaviour you would be on the server playing right now. But by all means keep pretending that it was a joke to break the ice or however you wish to sugarcoat it

The remorse and apology was after monelyfiend explained to me. O am playing on the server did so yesterday so I wasn't trying to turn my words around to just get back on the server because I was already able to play it. I was genuinely explaining it to you for nothing other than clarity at that point. You may not have liked the joke because it was directed towards you but other's liked it. I think it's just a matter of humour type and perspective. It wasn't meant to be as an insult towards anyone as a person or a group. It was just and intro joke. Bad or good is to be decided by each individual. Im not trying to sugarcoat it. I read the above chat between admins and some of it was funny and others would be considered crude and mean spirited. But it is the internet so don't take what I say as serious and just have a laugh Again I did admit my wrong doing after I was playing on the server so I was being genuine and not kiss assery to get back in. I was only seeing it from my perspective and MonkeyFiend made me see it from the other side. It won't happen again