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> SM server is a safe place for racists and neo-nazis?, Reported a proud neo-nazi, yet it seems that this is not a problem!
shammo
post Jun 28 2020, 01:08 PM
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Hi.

This is for those against racism and hate, and the SM server/site owner, as it seems the Admin's do not work properly.

Here's a clip, below, of a recent match where I reported a neo-nazi promoting player, "Death" Unit 88, and although the admin accepted that such behaviour is against the rules for the server, as it should absolutely be, there was nothing to be done because the admin did not happen to know what Unit 88 means...

... Even after being informed!!

So, it is clear that it's OK to play on the SM server and openly promote neo-Nazism and white supremacy.

Also below is also a link about Unit 88 for those who might not be aware.

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https://streamable.com/wkifum

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_88
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post Jun 28 2020, 06:28 PM
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shammo, just because somebody tells me something, doesn't mean that I accepted it without checking. I am sorry if you were under that impression. But there's a good reason for this. Let's say that tomorrow somebody says that "shammo" is a really degrading and offensive racial abuse in Kambodia. Should I just ban you because of this person told me so?

I went to search about unit 88 between the matches (the player was silent during the entire game, he wasn't actively recruiting or trolling, so there was no need for immediate action) and I now know that it was a neo nazi organization. But at the start of the next round both the offending player and you left the server.

I first want to thank you for letting me know. There's no way of knowing all these organizations, so the name unit 88 didn't mean anything to me.

But to come here and write what you wrote is a knee-jerk reaction at best. I do not accept these allegations! WTF?!?

Of course, I am a part of this whole episode, so I am biased as much as you are. If the other players and my fellow admin think that my reaction wasn't adequate, and point to specific things that I should have done better, please do so. I am open to constructive critique.
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post Jun 28 2020, 11:38 PM
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Hey Robin.

*Major edit from my initial reply wink.gif


I get it.

Look, called it as I see it...

... Is a serious issue, especially at the moment, I think.

Appreciate your need to satisfy yourself of any comments made in-game, and didn't mean to single you out; was genuinely annoyed AF that something like this didn't seem to be noticed, and he was just getting away with spewing all that bile.

At least more people might now know what this guy promotes, and hopefully challenge it.

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post Jun 29 2020, 08:25 AM
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Or you could have, you know, contacted an admin and explained the situation?

Social media has done a lot of brain damage.
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post Jul 2 2020, 06:39 PM
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QUOTE (AsDeR @ Jun 29 2020, 08:25 AM) *
Or you could have, you know, contacted an admin and explained the situation?

Social media has done a lot of brain damage.


Have you watched the video I linked to?
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post Jul 2 2020, 08:56 PM
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Nope, I was talking about you and your fast accusations via public forum.
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post Jul 2 2020, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE (AsDeR @ Jul 2 2020, 08:56 PM) *
Nope, I was talking about you and your fast accusations via public forum.


You might notice, if you bothered to look at the video clip, that an admin was contacted in-game.

Here is the clip for you, again:

https://streamable.com/wkifum
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post Jul 2 2020, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (AsDeR @ Jun 29 2020, 08:25 AM) *
Or you could have, you know, contacted an admin and explained the situation?

Social media has done a lot of brain damage.


LOL, just noticed your point about "brain damage"...

... You think that all the current furore about the rise in racism and hate is "brain damage" cause by social media?

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Oh, the irony!

If you don't quite get my retort, please say so and I can reply with more direct language you might understand... Old chap.
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post Jul 3 2020, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (shammo @ Jul 3 2020, 12:41 AM) *
LOL, just noticed your point about "brain damage"...

... You think that all the current furore about the rise in racism and hate is "brain damage" cause by social media?

LMAO laugh.gif

Oh, the irony!

If you don't quite get my retort, please say so and I can reply with more direct language you might understand... Old chap.

The way I understand it, AsDeR was referring to the fact that you made this post instead of trying to ask me what happened.

You are quite quick to take offense and go on a counter-offense yourself, but I didn't see you saying "sorry" for basically accusing me of letting people "openly promote neo-Nazism and white supremacy" on the server.

And last, but probably most importantly, don't straw-man your opponent's position. You're only making your position look weaker by doing this. It's as if you have to misrepresent your opponent's claims to be able to disprove them. This is not what AsDeR was saying and it's dishonest to act as if it is.
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