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[Urban II]

Did it also occur that, when asked to change an obviously racist name, he picked one that's even worse?

I was asked to change my name from Urban ϟϟ, and I changed it to Urban II, how is that worse? The names prior to my warning are not relevant.

[TurboMidget]

They are very much relevant. In fact, they're the reason your ban is continued instead of lifted.

[HackedPenguin]

Depends on from what to what name he changed. The problem is that I do not (yet) know the case. It'll help to clear out this thing.

Am still on Urban's side, don't hate me for it.

EDIT: Looks like it didn't load the latest post, which in fact, told us that Urban SS was changed to Urban II. Now, that is obviously good that he changed away from the SS name, but nothing is wrong with the new name (apart from that one pope, who to my knowledge never did anything wrong, thus being labeled as sone kind of a criminal) if I'm not terribly mistaken.

[Dithyrambique]

Well, he switched to Urban II then Zaraki so ...

He's still kinda trollish, depend on wich side his borderline is . . .

[TurboMidget]

Depends on from what to what name he changed. The problem is that I do not (yet) know the case. It'll help to clear out this thing.

Am still on Urban's side, don't hate me for it.

EDIT: Looks like it didn't load the latest post, which in fact, told us that Urban SS was changed to Urban II. Now, that is obviously good that he changed away from the SS name, but nothing is wrong with the new name (apart from that one pope, who to my knowledge never did anything wrong, thus being labeled as sone kind of a criminal) if I'm not terribly mistaken.

I just looked into Pope Urban II. The preachings, at a local level, that came along with him initiating the First Crusade also led to what is sometimes referred to as "The First Holocaust", basically pogroms against jews throughout medieval europe.

Now, saying that this is also a bad name, is a bit of a stretch. Urban II himself never persecuted the jews, but I am starting to see a pattern in the names player Urban seems to pick.

[HackedPenguin]

I can agree, that some of his name choices were really bad, but question is, did we ever see him on the server with those names? I don't think it's fair to judge him for having those names, if we never saw them.

[TurboMidget]

Sure it is, as long as we can prove he used them. That's what the logs and all that are for

[Meowric]

I logged into the sql server and ran some queries.
The good news is I can tell you he played on the server as Urban ϟϟ for around 35 minutes before being kicksied. Has also played for 7 hours 25 as Urban II also half an hour as zaraki, around 3.5 as never forget the gazillion, 35 mins as Zyklon B

But in my glorious opinion he's not broken racist language rules.
His name choices have been a little sketchy, the race war name we've not seen on the server.
Based on names or chat on the server there's no indication of whether he's some little deluded neo-Nazi type or just someone using such names to try and troll.
So the names that he's played with that people would have issue with is Urban ϟϟ and Zyklon B - obviously SS references and a name based on the jewish peoples least favourite pesticide.
We've had people with references like this before like trenchstuhfuhrer or whatever he was called who didn't attract a ban

So in general we for racist language (he's not broken this.. yet). We do kick for racist player names.

So the question is do people consider the use of the ϟϟ or a name based on a poison gas used in death chambers in itself without context or explanation racist?




If the answer is yes, then do we start kicking the various Hitlers, or AdolfH's, maybe I should set my name to Mussolini?

btw although I don't think his name is racist in itself, it's likely he either is a "racist douchbag" or just a "edgy kid douchebag" either way am pretty certain a douchebag. We should pity him.

p.s. that above was the 'good' news, the bad news was that SQL is throwing out connection erros now. It was working when I got there but I am certain I didn't break it. probably. Monkey: earn your keep and fix it minion! else I be displeased.

In other news I've decided that all future posts of mine will feature a cat in some way or form. For the sake of forum equillibrium

[HackedPenguin]

Finally our jester makes himself useful and explains the situation. Well done

[MonkeyFiend]

I've fixed the sql server connection. oaf. Unrelatedly come to my office 10am on Monday 22nd (I have your pdp to complete, which should be entertaining)

As for the rest of the post I actually re-read it a couple of times to try and determine whether you're trying to post sensibly or just more subtly troll.

Either way my own official stance is still just to accept the other admin decisions on this.

[Meowric]

[Urban II]

The whole Urban II thing was selected because of its origin, more of a patriotic thing. As for my own personal interests, I don't see
why they should be taken into account for my ban (for team damage). Sure some of my previous names are offensive, but I really didn't
think people would look at them and be like "Oh deary me, I am very offended by that!". I have changed my name once again to something
else. I'm not a racist douchebag, a douchebag nonetheless, but I'm not going to get technical here.

I don't feel as if I broke any of the servers rules to be permanently banned, sure I have had a warning and I guess an over reaction for
the team damage, but I have learned from those. Maybe one final warning and keep me on a watch list? I don't know.

I'm still going to appeal until I get a final answer, thank you all for your time.

[MonkeyFiend]

I've just checked, as far as I can tell Urban is currently unbanned.